Cinema dropped from £20million Torwood Street scheme
DEVELOPERS behind the £20million Torwood Street development have dropped the proposed digital cinema from their plans.
And questions remain about whether hotel chain Ramada will now be involved in the scheme.
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New Riviera Estates, who are behind the revamp, says it no longer intends to build the cinema alongside the proposed 80-bedroom hotel, flats, retail and restaurant complex because it is "not viable".
The company has also admitted being in talks with various hotel chains, despite saying a deal had been signed with international firm Ramada last year.
Light Cinema, which had hoped to build a multi-screen venue in the Torwood Street complex, denied that it had pulled out of Torquay and claimed that New Riviera Estates were now more interested in a bigger hotel.
New Riviera Estate bosses have insisted a leisure aspect of the project will remain, but said the cinema was no longer a viable option.
Peter Tisdale, director of New Riviera Estates, said: "I can confirm that, following detailed negotiations with operators, the proposed cinema is no longer considered viable and it is unlikely that this will form part of the proposed mix of new leisure uses.
"We remain committed to providing an exciting mixed use development in Torwood Street, which will bring new life to Torbay and deliver significant investment and employment opportunities."
Mr Tisdale said the plans, even without the cinema, could still create up to 300 jobs in the Bay.
John Sullivan, co-founder of the Light Cinema, said the developers had dropped the cinema because the commercial interests of the hotel took over the plans.
He said: "It is very disappointing. We put a lot of time and effort into it. But the commercial interests of the hotel overtook it.
"It was thought that this was an ideal location for a modern cinema in Torquay.
"It was a brilliant location – I can't imagine a better one for it in Torquay.
"It has got the row of restaurants, and the only thing it really lacks is a cinema."
The scheme, which first came to light 18 months ago and included a controversial 11-storey tower that was later dropped, will now have to go back through the planning process.
Objectors to the project, which has undergone several phases, have criticised New Riviera Estates.
Susie Colley, vice-chairman of the newly-founded Torbay Urban Forum, who opposed the original 11-storey building plans, said: "I'm disappointed with the company's decision to drop the cinema – it was the only leisure facility of the plan.
"What we don't want is another low rate hotel for stag and hen nights. What we want is to make Torbay more upmarket."
Permission for the project — including the cinema — was given by the council's planning committee on June 14. The detailed design of the building and a Section 106 agreement are among the issues being discussed.
Mr Tisdale said: "The omission of the cinema requires a revised, amended planning application to be submitted to Torbay Council.
"Discussions with future operators remain on-going, and we hope to be in a position to confirm further details about the mix of leisure and retail uses proposed and revised plans in the coming weeks."
Tormohun ward councillor Jenny Faulkner said it was a shame the cinema had been dropped out of the plans, because it would have brought people to that end of the Bay.
"It was part of their remit that a cinema should be there," she said. "It was part of the design they sought public consultation on.
"I'm fed up with people who say 'unless you do this it will not be viable'.
"Well, don't hold a gun to our head and stop messing us about, but go and do what you consulted people about."
Margaret Forbes-Hamilton, a member of Torbay Heritage Forum, is calling for the plan to demolish the original buildings to be revisited.
English Heritage said the existing Victorian frontage made a "positive contribution to the area" when it was consulted on the plans. But despite that, Torbay Council planners gave the go-ahead for the buildings to be destroyed.
"It would be a very valid point that the demolition of those buildings should be revisited," Ms Forbes-Hamilton said.
"It is disappointing that they are going to be losing one of the uses of the site.
"They have let the current buildings fall into dereliction and have closed them up.
"It will now be even longer that this part of the bottom of Torquay is going to look appalling."
Last week a statement from Mr Tisdale said: "Discussions remain on-going with several operators, including international hotel brands, which are still to be confirmed." The firm declined to comment further on whether Ramada was now part of those discussions or not.
A statement issued through its PR company, Remarkable, said: "New Riviera Estates has provided the Herald Express with an updated statement regarding the Torwood Street proposal and has no further comment to make at this stage. However, once New Riviera Estates is in position to announce further details regarding its proposal it will ensure the Herald Express is informed."
Deputy mayor Chris Lewis confirmed that Torbay Council had been in contact with the developers, and said: "It's a wait and see game. I can't comment on it until I know what they will put in its place.
"It might not be a negative that the cinema is gone. We just need to see what will replace it."
A spokesman for Torbay Council's planning department said: "We can confirm that we are in pre-application discussions with the developers, which are on-going."







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by Baggins, Torbay
Friday, October 08 2010, 10:16AM
“....
Looks like a Palm Court Hotel saga revisited to Baggins.
Grotbusters appear only to take on pensioners and have no willingness to take on the 'developers'. So many examples of these around the Bay.
.....”
by glenys, brixham
Friday, October 08 2010, 9:18AM
“RABBIT,RABBIT,rabbit...rabbit....rabbit.....PAULA,PAULA....PAULA....rabbit.”
by D i c k, Torquay
Friday, October 08 2010, 12:48AM
“Lewis is a complete idiot.
This will never happen.
Tisdale has only ever developed a pub in Wales.
Torwood Street is a joke, nothing decent there now and will always be the same.
Paula a quarter of a million have signed a Facebook petition to save a girl being deported, all due to "X Factor", and that was in two days only. Your numbers appear to pail into insignificance when looked at, and most are duplicates and people not from this country. What an annoying man you are.
The cinema is not needed and will not be missed, mind you it could be the new Empire that was in Ellacombe, the dirty old man's favourite haunt for watching dirty films with their raincoats over their knees.
Only a few more months of the three jokers who run the Council, Bye, Lewis and Carroll. What a joke they have turned out to be.”
by Ant, Paignton
Friday, October 08 2010, 12:16AM
“Whats this ? Developers backtracking on their plans ?
Have our local politicians been duped yet again ? Surely not.
Perhaps its time they discovered a backbone and kicked these charletans off the project.”
by JT, Torquay, Devon
Thursday, October 07 2010, 11:54PM
“Cinema dropped from £20million Torwood Street scheme - here we go again: more high and mighty ideas that come to nothing”
by Another person, Here.
Thursday, October 07 2010, 10:06PM
“Anyone want to buy a green wheelie bin?”
by Simon, Cloud Cuckoo Land
Thursday, October 07 2010, 9:56PM
“Tisdale is the 31-year old younger brother of Exeter City Manager, Paul.
He is the director or 20 companies. The majority shareholder in New Riviera Estates is John Havard who is also a director of most of the companies.
Of course, Magpie is right - they are just looking to make a profit after securing planning.
Perhaps Lewis and Bye would care to enlighten their constituents on what track record these two can offer to support the view that something will happen her.
Thought not.
Fools.
But we already know that.”
by Coffin Dodger, Pearly Gates
Thursday, October 07 2010, 7:21PM
“Magpie ,Torre, It does bring into question the judgment of Cllr Lewis. He backed the Palm Court developers without allegedly making enough enquires into their financial status.”
by Magpie, Torre
Thursday, October 07 2010, 7:00PM
“The cinema was a fact - just google it and you will see it in cinema magazines.
What I want to know is precisely what has been going on for the last 6 months - the latest plans were lodged on 25 February, but then withdrawn on 16 March!!!!!
I've thought all along that they never had any intention to build themselves, but merely wanted to get planning permission so that they could sell on and make a handsome profit without the hassle of running a project. Pity the economic crisis got in the way......”
by mark, torbay
Thursday, October 07 2010, 6:49PM
“don't be gullible. remember this is only what the herald express is printing. THe talk about the cinema being dropped may not of even of been definite in the first place and was most likely a sudden enthusiasm. How do we know what we read in the paper is even factual? YOu shouldn't buy into anything you read in the paper. If you think like that you will become brainwashed into believing anything. THat will make gullible which is what the government want people's minds to become.”