JIM PARKER: Get off your bum and have your say
IGUESS you know where I stand on many so-called consultations and obtaining the views of the public. For me they are sometimes a means of local authorities and other public bodies merely having to do it to tick certain boxes for the powers-that-be up the road in central government.
But there are some exceptions where gaining the views and input from the ordinary man and woman in the street are vital.
Welcome to the core strategy in Torbay. I can sense you turning to the next page already.
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But this is probably one of the most important pieces of work and processes for Torbay — and other local authorities doing the same — in years.
The strategy will shape and determine where the Bay goes for the next 20 years when it comes to redevelopment, regeneration, new homes, schools and new roads etc — and, just as importantly, where they will go.
Torbay is unique in the way it is trying to gauge public opinion before it adopts its planning blueprint and its Local Plan is rubber-stamped and set in stone for the next two decades.
It is the only unitary authority in the country where consultation is being carried out throughout its entire territory.
Neighbourhood planning forums have been holding public meetings in Torquay, Paignton and Brixham giving residents a say in what they want to see developed — or not developed — in their towns.
Once the process is complete, neighbourhood plans from the three towns will go towards the Bay's overall planning master plan.
I don't think many of you appreciate the importance of this process — never thought I would be saying that — but there is no going back once this goes through.
And the danger is that these forums attract just a handful of people who may see them as a way of raising concerns or protesting about one-off, specific projects rather than looking at the wider picture in a resort where some see change as scary and not an option.
Deputy mayor David Thomas, who is in charge of strategic planning, says: "Brixham is ahead of the game with their neighbourhood plan. They have a town council and it is something they are taking forward.
"Paignton are getting on top of theirs very, very quickly and catching up Brixham.
"Torquay at the moment probably needs to get some more people involved.
"We see great merit in having neighbourhood plans across the whole of the Bay. It is important that the community get involved in this and have their say."
Each forum has been given £20,000 by the government to manage the process which will culminate in referendums on the plans for the three towns, with 50 per cent of those voting having to say yes or no to the proposals.
Cllr Thomas has been talking to people and reckons the turn out for Torquay so far has been around the 20 mark.
Brixham takes in Churston and Galmpton. Its forum has attracted larger numbers but that may be because of the Churston Golf Club redevelopment plans and controversy over proposals for sporting facilities at Brokenbury. See what I mean about the wider picture?
Numbers in Paignton have been averaging 50 but the last meeting attracted more than 150, again mainly because of one specific issue — the talk of a supermarket plan for Victoria Park (there is no actual proposal, by the way).
Cllr Thomas said: "I said at the meeting that I was delighted to see so many people but I would be even more delighted to see them at the next meeting when it's not a single issue — Victoria Park."
The meeting decided to say 'no' to any suggestion of a supermarket at the park.
"Victoria Park was excluded from the plan. The plan will say 'no development here'," said Cllr Thomas.
"If we had consulted with everybody in Paignton and 40,000 people the majority would have had that view.
"But in Paignton the question should be do we want a supermarket in Paignton or a hypermarket on the Ring Road? That's the big debate to have. Do we want a supermarket that sells food, where people can go to do other shopping, or a hypermarket that sells 40 per cent non food, out of town?
"Do we want another Willows on the edge of Paignton? If that's what people want, Paignton town centre has to diversify its retail.
"We have 42 retailers in Paignton. There were six businesses at the meeting. I asked what the business would say."
This process comes under the banner of the government's Localism Act. Cllr Thomas says there is a fine line between localism and nimbyism.
He is keen that the meetings don't become 'one item' meetings.
He says: "We need to be clear on the whole thing.
"This is about the Localism Act. This is a game change for all authorities.
"We have never been in a situation like this before. This is not consultation where the council puts something up for consultation and it happens if people do not like it."
Time is running out. The Local plan goes out to the public in September and is submitted to the government by the end of next March.
It is essential that the silent majority who appreciate the Bay has to move forward has their say. It is usually the more vocal minority that determine the future. So, with the utmost respect, please get off your backsides and help shape a brighter Bay.




Comments
by ivanovski
Tuesday, June 05 2012, 7:29PM
“Dave David, As you were so quick to contradict me, have you been able to establish your assertion that the Mayor is a member of the Yacht Club? No, never mind, I will accept your apology with good grace.”
by ivanovski
Sunday, June 03 2012, 5:25PM
“Well said mike. People are all too ready to sound off about meetings who have not themselves attended any as you and I have. Its better t know the fats than hear from people speaking form a position of ignorance.”
by ThePFJ
Sunday, June 03 2012, 1:04PM
“I've changed my mind, I like it now. Any chance of you becoming a reporter for the Herald, you base your stories on facts.”
by mikelister66
Sunday, June 03 2012, 12:57PM
“To answer some of the queries on here and put some of the so called 'fact's on here right:
1] The meetings are held at TYC as it provides a decent sized free venue, it has nothing to do with the mayor's (debated) membership. If we find that this venue becomes too small with growing attendance then a larger venue will be found so that no one is excluded.
2] The meetings are well attended, at least 50-60 regular attendees and growing steadily.
3] The meetings are a good forum for discussion and presentations. We additionally have a facebook page and twitter feed and are in the process of establishing a website and internet forum for promoting further debate.
4] The problem is not the system. The system has changed to give people a greater say, anyone can attend these meetings and air their views. The system will now give more emphasis to public opinions and turn them into a statutory document.
5] The future of Torquay will not be decided by 20 people. (In fact, you could argue that it is currently decided by fewer than that). Firstly, we have more than 20 people attending these meetings. I estimate at least 100 individuals have attended once or more. Secondly, any plan put forward by the Neighbourhood Forum has to be voted upon by local referendum. Everyone in Torquay will have a right to vote on the proposals and if the majority agree it will be adopted. (Where possible these referendums will be run alongside local/national elections to save on costs.) That really is 'one man, one vote' democracy.
6] The comment about the church is so far wide of the mark it's untrue. We have two vicar's that attend and have had some meetings at church properties. This is the sort of comment that commonly abounds on this website. People trying to pass things on as 'fact' when all they had to do was attend one meeting to see how wrong they are.
7] The aim is to have the plan ready for referendum by April 2013 and frankly if you wait until the plan is published it is to late. If you want to have your input you need to start coming along to the meetings now.
This is a real chance for residents to get involved, so please come down and have your say.”
by ThePFJ
Saturday, June 02 2012, 3:20PM
“Meetings are fine up to a point Ivanovski, but how many people do you allow in a meeting, what should the capacity of the Hall be. If you limit the people involved to the capacity of a hall then you are excluding everyone else. Is that public consultation, is that 'one man, one vote' democracy.”
by ivanovski
Saturday, June 02 2012, 2:45PM
“On day to day issues we it is never going to be practical to have the whole of the public voting on masse but the Council and other public bodies need to explain and consult and gauge the reaction. The local plan which proposed closing Victoria Parade to traffic was a good example of meetings being arranged when there was such strong feeling against the proposal and well founded objections that forced the Council did a re-think.”
by TorbayOAP
Saturday, June 02 2012, 2:11PM
“The public have a right to know about the freemasons and there extensive influence over local and national government, how can the electorate make educated decisions when they are being kept in ignorance of such a major important issue.
The history and workings of this secret society and their disciples should be taught in schools, there are more Masonic temples in most towns (including Torquay) than catholic churches, the historic cloak of secrecy has been lifted from the catholic church to reveal extensive paedophilia in the same way that one day the historic cloak of secrecy will be lifted from the freemasons to reveal similarly shocking abominable corrupt practices.”
by ThePFJ
Saturday, June 02 2012, 12:15PM
“If the meetings result in issues that the local population can vote on en masse, than OK. But Ivanovski are you really saying that the future of Torquay should be decided by 20 people in a church hall. AND THEN CALL IT PUBLIC DEBATE.”
by ivanovski
Saturday, June 02 2012, 11:54AM
“Meetings continue to be used because they remain the best way for people who are really interested to be informed at length and to interact. Presentations can be made questions put and, hopefully, answered and the opportunity to discuss local issues face to face. If you are not up for that fair enough but don't criticise those that have enough commitment to the town to turn up and get involved.”
by ivanovski
Saturday, June 02 2012, 7:28AM
“Dave_David If you can see past your own venom for five minutes you can go and check the fact that the Mayor is not a member of the Yacht Club, go on do it?”