Magistrate angry at lack of recycling consultation
A TORBAY JP has claimed residents were not consulted or forewarned enough over the great Torbay rubbish revolution.
Magistrate John Kiddey saw red when he came home from an overseas trip to find 'an array' of black plastic bins in his driveway.
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He was even angrier when he received what he considered an unsatisfactory response from Torbay Council chief executive Elizabeth Raikes to his complaint about lack of consultation and practical problems with the new system.
Mr Kiddey, who lives in Whidbourne Avenue, said: "I knew the council was planning a change in the bin system only because I read about it in the Herald Express. I have received nothing in the post from the council, not a leaflet through the door — nothing whatsoever."
He said he wrote to his ward councillor, Neil Bent, who said he would ask the relevant officer to make contact.
Meanwhile, Cabinet member for community services, Dave Butt, also got in touch with the same promise.
But Mr Kiddey said that after two weeks he had not had a response.
He wrote to Mrs Raikes asking why officers had failed to respond to the councillors' requests.
"Please also explain why I have not been consulted about this dramatic change of refuse collection," he said.
He described the changeover as 'presumptive and pre-emptive' and asked why he has not been told on which day his bins will be emptied; asked how his wife is to move these wheel-less bins to the boundary especially when full of wet newspaper, and who will pay for the extra water used to clean items as instructed for recycling.
Finally he asks: "Who is to pay me for all the extra work in preparing waste for collection?"
"May Gurney is a private company which is surely in this business to make money from refuse.
"If they want householders to sort rubbish, drag boxes full of waste and wash items, then we should be told how much the going rate is for the job and we should be asked if we are prepared or, able, to do so."
He said he was also unhappy at the response he received which stated: "Mrs Raikes does not get involved with complaints at this stage as initially, complaints are dealt with by the service area concerned as they are best placed to deal with any queries or concerns raised by customers."
It said his complaint would be dealt with through the council's Corporate Complaint Procedure 'which ensures that customer's complaints are dealt with appropriately and within the correct time frame'.
Mr Kiddey said: "It smacks of arrogance. They did not even have the courtesy to copy in the two councillors who took it up on my behalf."
A Torbay Council spokesman said: "This complaint about a service will be dealt with through the council's complaints system. We are unable to comment on an individual's complaint."
A spokesman for Tor2, the joint council and May Gurney company, said: "We have put a lot of effort into communications about the improvements."
She said the boxes are deliberately designed to be easy to carry, as has the kitchen waste caddy to transport recyclable materials to the kerbside for collection or to the kitchen waste bin.
Residents are being advised to store the boxes indoors so they will not be full of rain and materials soaking wet when being carried to the kerbside.
Weekly collection of recycling (rather than the current fortnightly service) will also reduce the amount collected each week.
There will be less need to carry heavy bin bags of residual waste to the wheeled residual waste bin.
As to the request to wash some items, the spokesman said: "We would encourage residents to see this as something that is done as part of the normal food preparation and washing up tasks which will mean that no extra water is used. Recyclable materials could be washed last.
"While some residents may feel they are being asked to do more, the council [Tor2] will be providing more services for residents [weekly recycling and a collection of kitchen waste] and, due to the kerbside sort system, recycling collectors will be taking each and every recycling container and putting materials into separate compartments on the collection vehicles to ensure any contamination is isolated at source rather than causing problems in the automatic sorting process associated with the current co-mingled system.
"This will ensure purer materials and a better recycling rate.
"This is a positive outcome for all and we hope that residents will do their part to embrace the new services to ensure Tor2 can deliver the increased recycling rates and reduced waste to landfill that is needed in Torbay."







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by Stuart, Shaldon
Tuesday, September 07 2010, 8:16AM
“Kim, you are right. I am all for recycling and like your idea of shared responsibility. Perhaps I could do your recycling and you could have my landfill dumped in your house. It's not much now but obviously it has to go somewhere: which, of course, is the point everyone is missing; we are a crowded island running out of landfill space so there's just no alternative. Just get on with it and stop moaning.
This does require effort but you are not doing it "for the council" - you are doing it because no one wants to live in the middle of a giant landfill site which is what will happen if we continue dumping at the current rate.
PS for info, we also help our neighbour put out the bins. The council doesn't do it - why should we ask them when we are happy to help?”
by kim, Paignton
Monday, September 06 2010, 9:52AM
“IT would seem Stuart from Shaldon is all for Recycling well done mate im sending round my stuff to you now
p.s
you live in shaldon (Teignbridge council??) not torbay they collect from the rear of the house if the need arises for elderly people TORBAY DONT”
by Ned Flanders, Paignton
Saturday, September 04 2010, 8:16PM
“Someone moaned about putting the bin out at 6:30am, use your head and put it out the night before !”
by Dontaskmeimonlythedriver, Visionworld
Friday, September 03 2010, 1:56PM
“Dave, David Lids!!!!! this is Torbay our council ain't that bright!”
by David, Gloucester
Friday, September 03 2010, 12:47PM
“What is all this stuff about soggy newspapers and drainage holes in bins? Don't you have any lids down there in Devon like the rest of the country?”
by Dave, Gloucester
Friday, September 03 2010, 12:45PM
“What is all this about soggy newspapers and water inside bins?
Here in Gloucestershire we have lids on our bins to stop the rain getting in!”
by Dontaskmeimonlythedriver, Visionworld
Thursday, September 02 2010, 4:53PM
“Stuart,
I did weeks ago, i have rung countless times, emailed wastedoctors, emailed Tor2 Media rep (email refused) phoned connections, all i want is the BIN but Tor 2 can't even manage that so it doesn't work does it.”
by Stuart, Shaldon
Thursday, September 02 2010, 3:49PM
“The system does work - ask for another bin/box if your's is missing.
Methane from landfill is a major contributor of greenhouse gas (much more dangerous than CO2), so there's really no choice but to get on with it.
If you want to know what real hardship is - search out the recyclers of the Dharavi slums or the Filipino kids scouring the rubbish dumps to live. As I said, grow up and get on with making the best of it.”
by Dontaskmeimonlythedriver, Visionworld
Thursday, September 02 2010, 1:48PM
“Stuart the system doesn't work well the humans can't count to 2.I only got 1 bin!
N we aren't paying for floods or murders we are however paying for this shambles.”
by poppy, shiphay
Thursday, September 02 2010, 10:08AM
“I'm not against recycling, but have to agree with lots of the negative comments about the new system. The room taken up with the new boxes, now having to make numerous trips up and down my drive on collection day instead of just one with the wheelie bin (I normally also do this for my elderly next door neighbours but have suggested that the council service is requested to do this) my main bugbear is having only nets and not proper lids. After only a few days this is driving me nuts. I rinsed my tuna can out and dutifully put in in the box, it was then in my kitchen, getting in the way of everything but didn't want to risk everything getting wet if it rained. My cat was going mad trying to get in the box, so I put it outside - now the neighbourhood animals are trying to get in the nets - imagine what it will be like when system kicks in properly. How many animals are going to be stuck in these stupid nets and people distrubed at their attempts. I used to rinse my cans , drop them in the bin and that was that. A lid would solve this problem as well protect from the elements. Before anyone says that I mustn't have rinsed the can properly believe me I rinse all the residue from cans and jars that I can see, I refuse to do a full on wash cycle with them, especially with the cost of water here. PLEASE at least provide proper lids for the boxes. I asked the council about lids and explained why, they suggested that I just put the cans in the normal non-recycling bin!!”