As Nigel Bloxham plans meeting, may Downs war of words continue
THE war of words raging over that fish restaurant plan for Babbacombe Downs shows no sign of letting up.
But one of the biggest complaints from the anti-brigade — that they have not been able to have a say in Nigel Bloxham's proposals for the current public loos site — may about to be addressed and in more ways than one.
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Mr Bloxham (pictured) has confirmed he is forging ahead with plans to stage his own public meeting.
Traders in Torquay are being given the chance to give their verdict for the first time.
And deputy mayor Chris Lewis, the councillor in charge of the Bay's regeneration projects, has also pledged a public forum before any scheme goes before planners.
Developers are currently given just a few minutes to speak at planning committee meetings but no questions from councillors or the public are permitted.
Cllr Lewis says that with such multi-million pound proposals on the table that simply isn't good enough.
He says public meetings on the plans for Torwood Street and, more recently, proposals for Torquay seafront, have given the public the chance to have their say — more than 350 peopled turned out for the promenade plan.
Cllr Lewis says: "For any major developments in the Bay we will now have public meetings where the developer can present.
"We will be recommending that there is a public meeting before this (the restaurant plan) goes to planning."
Whether the meeting is to be council or ward partnership-driven is not yet clear.
Torquay Chamber of Trade and Commerce will be given its first chance to comment on the project at a meeting at the Imperial Hotel on March 10 at 7pm.
Newly-elected chairman James Cross says Mr Bloxham and Torbay Development Agency boss Steve Parrock will be there.
He added: "It is not an open meeting. It is a general meeting for members and it is to try to generate more people to come to meetings."
Does he have a view on the restaurant idea?
"It is too early to have a view. We will listen to what is said," said Mr Cross.
"We are trying to build up membership. I do not want to be too controversial on anything."
Mr Bloxham has confirmed he will be attending and believes he has the support of the traders.
He claims: "They say they want to encourage entrepreneurs."
He has yet to name a date for his meeting but has lined up a venue.
He says "It will be a smaller venue so it can be controlled.
"Our meeting is to say here are views and here are our proposals. We will listen to the comments. Numbers will be limited.
"Everybody should have the opportunity to speak. It's not a crowd."
Babbacombe councillor Alan Faulkner, a fierce opponent of the plans, maintains the Imperial Hotel meeting can't be seen as part of a consultation process.
He says: "It is not going out to the public like we did with the Cary Arms. It will be invited people."
He insists: "Let's have consultation about this before we go any further.
"People are writing from Scotland and all over the place about it.
"There are petitions and there is still a great anti-feeling.
"People do not want it there. As the local councillor I represent them and will fight tooth and nail to stop it."
Now back to the war of words — which are now being aimed at yours truly!"
Mrs S Sage, of Babbacombe Downs Road, wrote to me saying: "I was under the impression that the Herald Express reported local issues without prejudice, but on this matter it would seem that you are acting as Mr Bloxham's PR man!"
She, too, called for a public meeting, suggesting Babbacombe Theatre as a possible venue.
She talks of precedents being set if the development is allowed and she insists views will be obstructed by the new building.
Mrs Sage writes: "I do not blame Mr Bloxham for taking advantage of the council's generosity but I do blame the mayor and his cohorts for giving away public land protected under a covenant purely because they claim they are unable to find the money to maintain the toilets.
"We are accused of being against change. The National Trust and English Heritage are also against change if it is the wrong sort of change.
"People are drawn to this area from all over the country because of the open aspect of the Downs and the fantastic views, so why destroy what actually attracts tourists all year round?"
The she takes another pop at me by saying: "You concluded your column with 'really, what is the problem?', and on another occasion 'It's a no-brainer'.
"Don't you think that this may be insulting to people who care passionately about the Downs?"
Now then, now then, let me make my position clear. I am not out to insult anybody. I don't want to see the Bay turned into a concrete jungle. I don't want to see it die either.
I respect other people's point of view and I am not in anybody's pocket.
May the war of words continue... as long as they are constructive.







8 Comments
by Micky Towler, St Marychurch
Monday, March 01 2010, 8:58PM
“I take exception to the Downs being refered to as a 'loo site' - whilst there are loos there, there is also one of the finest coastal vista in the whole of England. We want it kept like this. I am not against change perse (I take exception for being called the 'anti-brigade') I care passionately about this environment. Mr Bloxham today, McDonald's tomorrow?”
by Jan towler, St Marychurch
Monday, March 01 2010, 8:51PM
“Has anyone from the HE been to the Babbacombe Downs recently? I haven't seen any signs of it 'dying' as this article suggests. I go most days and there are always a great cross section of the community there. Easy access for pushchairs, wheelchairs and easy walking for the elderly. It is one of the few open spaces that is accessible for all and gives such spectacular views. There are more than enough well used cafes and restaurants there already. How exactly is giving this land away to the private sector to exploit going to encourage regeneration? We don't need yet another restaurant. What we do need is to keep what makes the Downs so special - it's stunning views and access for ALL.”
by Biffo, Paignton Zoo
Monday, March 01 2010, 8:22PM
“I am completely lost as to what this article is about....talk of bad reporting and poor English, this article has the lot. Employ some good reporters I say.”
by Baggins, Torbay
Monday, March 01 2010, 3:41PM
“The whole proceedure has been a behind-closed-doors stitchup.
Clearly the idea of building the restaurant by/on the theatre grounds is best but that wouldn't be such a freebee.
100 year lease for a peppercorn rent - that's pathetic. Bit like unsavoury getting a long lease lower down for the price of a cheap semi.
Baggins thought Torbay council was now run by experienced businessmen - run for them more like.
I urge everyone to attend the REAL public meeting at Babbacombe Theatre at 3pm on Saturday.”
by Alan Griffey. Torbay Friends of The Earth, Torquay
Monday, March 01 2010, 1:01PM
“The wording of the above Herald Express article: 'anti-brigade' - nice to know you're on our side HE, we don't often hear you describing a 'pro-brigade'. Mr.Bloxham: "They say they want to encourage entrepreneurs." - is that another word for land gobblers? The only people I know who use the expression "no brainer" are people with no brains - can we put this stupid expression to bed?
'Chris Lewis has also pledged a public forum before any scheme goes before planners.' - Yes Cllr Lewis, and will the council listen to us? I spoke against the restaurant at the council's scrutiny committee, I got the loudest round of applause, not a word of what I said was reported in the HE, and the scrutiny committee waved it through to become the mess we have today. There's a public meeting on the plundering of the Downs this Saturday at Babbacombe Theatre, 3pm. Tell your friends.”
by john farmer, stanley
Monday, March 01 2010, 11:30AM
“i have always been in favour of this fish restaurant,its good news for the bay,theres plenty of room for all up there, the Torquay sea front should be turned into concrete jungle. skyscrapers ,what a super idea for the bay.jf”
by Elliot, Community Coop, St Marychurch
Monday, March 01 2010, 11:29AM
“Pitifully confused:
"Plans to stage his own public meeting"
"Traders in Torquay are being given the chance to give their verdict"
Now only traders constitute "the public"
"For any major developments in the Bay we will now have public meetings where the developer can present."
What about what the community wants to present?
Seems a bit like this is all just in the interest of the entrenpreneurs doesn't it?
"It is not an open meeting"
Obviously, so why report it as a "public meeting"?
"Do not want to be too controversial on anything."
God forbid! Wouldn't want to upset the status quo would we?
"It will be a smaller venue so it can be controlled. ...We will listen to the comments. Numbers will be limited."
And much farther away, lesser numbers, hand-picked attendees. What is this weak attempt at trying to say this is open? This stinks.
"Everybody should have the opportunity to speak. It's not a crowd."
Oh dear, how confused.
Capital collusion, political collusion, media collusion.
This isn't just the Downs, its a whole series of so-called "regeneration" proposals which the "Mayoral Vision" is aggressively pushing.
With an unreliable media, an administration which is only interested in public pain for private gain, and developers who have no interest in community, democracy or civic participation, the community is organising its own public meeting for itself.
Babbacombe Theatre this Saturday 3:00 pm. free entry.”
by Mark Hellyer, Torquay
Monday, March 01 2010, 10:46AM
“"We will be recommending that there is a public meeting before this (the restaurant plan) goes to planning."
Whether the meeting is to be council or ward partnership-driven is not yet clear.
Well guess what? There will be a public meeting on Saturday 6th March at 3.00 pm at Babbacombe Theatre, and it is driven by THE PUBLIC, who are still waiting to know why they were never consulted about this land give away.”